Recently, I received two journal rejections within 4 days; it must be some kind of record. I could of course despair and take it personally, which is what I used to do at early stages of my career. But now, with sufficient publication success in the past to assure me that I am not a hopeless case when it comes to publications (or so I hope!), I try to look at rejections from a more positive, constructive angle. Readers who were interested in this post of mine of a few weeks ago, on how to go about selecting journals to submit your papers to, may find my current thoughts on how to deal with these two rejections useful.

The first of the two rejections was somewhat frustrating. It came from a very fine, highly selective journal, but it was based on only one referee report, and a referee who seemed to misunderstand the main claim of the paper quite severely. (S/he identified an equivocation that I’m pretty sure is simply not there.) But at the very least, the report suggested that I hadn’t been clear enough concerning the main claims of the paper. The truth is that this paper defends a somewhat controversial thesis; the referee commended the paper as well written and well structured, but seemed simply not to find the main thesis particularly appealing.

What to do in such cases? Should one give up on the paper? This is not what I will do, among other reasons because I truly believe in the main thesis, even if (apparently) I still haven’t managed to present it in a sufficiently convincing way. I’ve had a similar experience when defending a controversial interpretation of Ockham’s supposition theory some years ago, and it took me some time (and some rejections…) to get the ‘rhetoric’ of the paper right (eventually the paper was published in the Journal of the History of Philosophy). But when I was writing predominantly historical papers, I was being overall more successful with getting them published. This may mean that I am a better historian than a systematic philosopher (might well be the case…), but I’m getting the feeling that the criteria for what counts as a good historical paper are more ‘objective’ than for systematic papers.

Sure, there are objective criteria across the board: is the paper well written and well structured? Does it refer to the relevant literature? Does it make a novel, non-trivial claim? But I’m getting the feeling that papers addressing systematic issues are more prone to receiving reports whose gist is basically “I don’t like the main thesis of the paper”. It seems that some of the most influential recent papers in philosophy had a long struggle up before finding a home – Clark and Chalmers’ extended mind paper being a good example, but also work by Jason Stanley comes to mind.

So, first lesson: if you are defending a somewhat controversial claim, you have higher chances of coming across referees who simply ‘didn’t like’ the main thesis of the paper. So you should improve on your ‘rhetoric’ but not necessarily give up on the thesis/the paper. After all, you happened to come across one or two people who did not like the paper; it is too small a sample to draw any conclusions on the strength of the thesis (which again outlines the limitations of the peer-review model in general).

The second rejection I had was very different, and here I want to name the journal, Erkenntnis, because the work they seem to have put into this submission is truly impressive. Less than 4 months after submission date, I’ve received 3 very thorough, detailed reports, 2 of which recommended rejection but with possibility of re-submission (the third sounded more like an R&R). (As a journal editor myself, I am well aware of how difficult and how rare it is to receive such detailed referee reports, especially in such a timely manner.) The referees make a number of very important points, and one of them points out that I failed to include some highly relevant literature, which I was simply unaware of (this is a fairly new topic for me). So in this case, the rejection is still somewhat disappointing, obviously, but I consider myself to be truly lucky to have received such thoughtful feedback on my paper. I will now go back to it with the referees’ comments in mind, and I intend to take up on the invitation to submit a thoroughly revised version of the paper to Erkenntnis later on.

I want to close this post with a few comments on the ‘Rejection, but with invitation to re-submit’ verdict. In my work as an editor for the RSL, I am making quite regular use of this possibility; we often get papers which contain lots of valuable material, but there are too many problems so as to warrant an R&R verdict. With an R&R, there is the expectation that, once the problems are properly addressed, the paper is likely to be accepted, which means that a very high percentage of R&R’s eventually turn into acceptances (as it should be). But sometimes the issues with the paper are not easily mendable, even if the material is interesting and original, and could be turned into an excellent paper. So overall, I find the ‘Rejection, but with invitation to re-submit’ option more honest than an R&R that may eventually lead to a rejection (because the problems with the paper are not so easy to fix). 

Anyway, I’d be curious to hear more in the comments below on how experienced philosophers deal with journal rejections, as this is an inevitable part of the profession, and thus something junior folks can certainly benefit from. 

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20 responses to “How to deal with a journal rejection?”

  1. Mark Lance Avatar

    Your first point that controversial, outside the mainstream methodology, or otherwise nonstandard papers are susceptible to rejections just because the reviewer doesn’t like the conclusion seems to me to be clearly right. I am basing this not only on dozens of such rejections of my own papers – all of which were eventually published, and many of which eventually got lots of attention from top people in the field – but also many more examples from others. I don’t know what to do about this. It is hard to know how to change such a thing, and even though it also falls along ideological lines – certain party-line views tend to dominate many prominent journals, as Eric has blogged on frequently here at newapps – in the end I don’t think it is that big a deal. Just keep sending things out. There are lots of journals, and eventually one gets referees who are willing to be sympathetic readers. One just has to learn to curse, down a whiskey, and send it out again without more thought.

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  2. Anonymous Doctoral Student Avatar
    Anonymous Doctoral Student

    As far as your record is concerned, I once received two rejections within several hours (both had been out for months). To compensate, however, I got a positive R&R the next day. Since I hadn’t published yet at that time, I’m not sure how I would have reacted if not for the R&R.
    Now that I am slightly more experienced, with two “prestigious” publications in the bag, my policy is glance at the comments for helpful information pretending that I am not the author of the paper being trashed, integrate anything I think is good. (I always see people saying that referees misunderstood the paper, but in my experience this is also informative because it is indicative of a lack of clarity.)
    Then I submit to the next journal on my list, or add a new journal to the list then submit, and indulge in intoxicants and forget about the whole matter until the next time I hear back. Academics are constantly receiving rejections; if you let it be anything more than a gadfly–in the good way that Socrates means it–you’re going to have a bad time in this field.

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  3. Sara L. Uckelman Avatar

    One thing that I have found useful is that for papers which were not written with a definite venue in mind, I have a list of potential journals that might be appropriate venues. As soon as a rejection from one comes in, I can immediately begin to revise with a new venue in mind, the next journal on the list. (Of course, assuming that the reason for return didn’t include some glaringly obvious mistake which renders the paper un-revisable).

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  4. Gordon Hull Avatar

    I think I’d mainly underscore the “don’t give up on the paper” point. I also think the “I just don’t believe the thesis” response happens in history, too. Or, at least it’s happened to me. Having in mind the next place or two you’ll send the paper is also good, particularly when you start at higher end journals with really low acceptance rates. The other point is that good reviewers’ comments, even with a rejection, can be really helpful in revising the paper, and it’s worth waiting a day or two for the sting of the rejection to fade, to then see what’s useful there. Knowing that the extended mind paper had trouble finding a home helps, too: journal rejections (or acceptances) don’t necessarily track the quality of papers all that well.

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  5. Matt Avatar

    I recently recommended rejecting a paper (something I always hate doing, I might add) where I’d not be surprised if the author thought I was rejecting it because I didn’t like the conclusion. But, the better understanding (I think) is that I thought an essential premiss in the argument for the conclusion was just taken for granted, and not at all supported. It might be that the author thought the claim was so obvious as to not need support, but to my mind it was both not obvious and not, in fact, plausible when thought through. So, my advice would be when you think you have a “don’t like the conclusion” rejection, be sure that you’ve well-supported all the essential premises in the argument, motivated the assumption, and been clear when and why you’re taking something as an assumption. Of course, not ever rejection of this sort can be avoided in this way, but I except that a significant number can.

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  6. Neil Avatar
    Neil

    Well maybe. But very often – it seems to me – a referee requires a very high standard of acceptability for a premise, just because they don’t like the conclusion. I’m not sure how one would be able to rule this out in your own case, Matt.

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  7. Matt Avatar

    That’s certainly possible, Neil. I tried to spell out my worries in my report carefully, but of course one’s own motives and reasons are not always transparent to one’s self, and of course nothing I said implied otherwise. My point was only that, if you get a rejection like this, a good thing to do is to look and see if all the premises are well supported. (That is, of course, just the flip side of your point, after all.)

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  8. nasren Avatar
    nasren

    From my perspective the system is broken and rather badly broken. However my feelings are conditioned by personal circumstance.
    I have recently been made redundant at my University, due to not having four publications in the previous three year period. I was tenured. I had two publications in that period and rather long ones at that, totalling 15,000 words. The University had never announced that academics had an obligation to publish four articles and some staff who had no publications in that period were passed over and kept their jobs. Unsurprisingly, they all have a mild po-mo stance: anti-truth, anti-rationality, etc. The two philosophers axed were on the logic/metaphysics/epistemology side of the fence. Both of us had more publications than many others in the department. In fact more than half the department failed the four publications test. (This was not restricted to philosophy — it occurred across the University: it was a tenure-breaking exercise, targeting mostly people who had previously complained of corruption, bullying or mismanagement by the once Dean and now Provost — it was he who steered the process, including choosing the people who were targeted.)
    My problem is that I have a rather large number of papers that are in submission and that keep meeting referees comments that are not much more than foolish and obstructive, comments that have the flavour of “I don’t like this thesis.” In my view it should be the job of a journal editor to identify such frivolous comments and refuse to accept them as a reason for rejection. But that is not happening to any extent that I can see. My own work falls very much in the camp of arguing that certain views that have become established in the last 100 years are ill-founded and wrong. Needless to say, that does not go down well with those whose fortunes have been tied to the orthodoxy.
    But this is philosophy, is it not?
    Rather despairingly, I believe the answer to that rhetorical question is that it is not, not any longer. The journal submission system is broken because it is a symptom of a broken discipline, a discipline that has no ability to reflect on fundamental issues. It wants to believe that it is upward, ever upward, whereas I see it as driving deeper into a cul-de-sac. But that is by-the-by. It should be possible to get a better refereeing system in philosophy if everyone agreed to do their job properly. For example, I would never dream of rejecting an article unless I could show in the space a report that it was wrong. I take that as part of my job. But that attitude is not shared it seems.
    At any rate the possibility that others will lose their jobs in a similar way to my losing mine will be increased in the future. Many of my erstwhile colleagues have faced this issue by putting out more meretricious, shallow pieces in quick-acceptance journals, usually by leveraging contacts, nominating referees etc. In other words, further increasing the noise level in the discipline.
    But this is what philosophy has become, in my view: 95% noise. Parmenides would be turning in his grave.

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  9. Tristan Haze Avatar

    Thanks for this comment – my sincere commiserations.
    I am in broad agreement with your conclusions about the discipline, and that is why I stopped submitting papers to journals a couple of years ago.
    My philosophical heroes include Kant, Nietzsche and Wittgenstein, and I want, if at all possible, to one day do something comparably deep and original. I have concluded that I have a much better chance of doing this if, when my PhD funding runs out in August, I just get a part-time menial job and work at philosophy in my spare time.
    I think one of the most problematic things about the current model of academic employment, with the need to crank out papers in the current peer-review climate, is the way it insidiously hampers the development of large new scenes of thought and ways of doing things – new philosophical atmospheres or worlds, if that doesn’t sound too airy-fairy. That’s why I look to Nietzsche and Wittgenstein – each of them created his own philosophical atmosphere in a most palpable way, and I profit no end from getting into these and learning to feel at home. That’s the sort of stuff I aspire to do, and so I think I have no choice but to chuck academia, at least for a while.
    Pardon the borderline-off-topic rant – I needed to get that off my chest.

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  10. Filippo Avatar
    Filippo

    I totally agree about your point concerning R&R. I recently had a very disappointing experience with an highly selective. They gave me a very positive R&R and then the paper was rejected on the basis of a critical point that was not included in the first round of comments. Now, I agree that the point is somehow substantive, and needs revision. But it was very frustrating that it led to a straight rejection, without the possibility of a second revision.

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  11. Taylor M Avatar
    Taylor M

    All these comments once again point in the obvious direction to move for refereeing practices. With the internet and search engines leaving the author seldom secret, coupled with turnaround times and poor quality of reviews, where reviewers are given no credit anyway, it seems there are overwhelming reasons to attach names to the reviewers.
    This way, we can expect people to maintain a basic level of responsibility for the quality of their report. Also, they can be thanked for their contribution. The old idea was that it would allow people to reject a paper or whatever without fear, and sure, people should be able to request anonymity, but this doesn’t seem to be all that valuable of a blanket policy. Is there really any good reason not to make the change, like so many science journals are now doing?
    I also want to add that knowing reviewers would help with interpretation of the referee report, deciding which journals to send to, and that this data is valuable for detecting biases, trends and representation problems in the journal review process and policy.

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  12. Jamie Dreier Avatar

    I’m also in favor of removing secrecy whenever it’s feasible. But I’m afraid there is a good reason not to make the change, yes: we’ll lose a large percentage of our reviewers. People just won’t agree to review if they aren’t promised anonymity.
    I’d be particularly worried that we wouldn’t be able to get any junior faculty to referee at all, and we’d lose others who feel vulnerable.
    I know Eric S. has advocated here for printing the names of positive referees with a published paper; I have also suggested it on another blog (Referees in the Sunshine, on PEA Soup). It does not seem to be a very popular idea. I hope that will change.

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  13. Eric Schliesser Avatar

    I still hope a journal would be willing to experiment with this idea.

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  14. Matt Avatar

    I recently reviewed a paper for Legal Theory. They give referees the opportunity to say who they are, but don’t require it. That seems reasonable to me. I did not remove anonymity- even though I thought the paper was very good, and recommended publication after some revisions, the potential up-side for saying who I was didn’t seem to outweigh the down-side if the author was excessively annoyed with my comments or desired changes. Of course, that would be even more the case if I recommended rejecting the paper or much more serious revisions. If I were required to be non-anonymous, I would probably accept very few, if any, referee requests. (I currently take significantly more than the number of papers I submit each year.)
    Partly in reply to Taylor M, it’s really not hard for people to not google authors, at least not before a report is submitted. People should just realize they shouldn’t do this, and then do it. How often it’s done I of course can’t say, but it’s obviously easy to not do it. Perhaps editors should included encouragement to not do this, if they think it’s problem.

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  15. Christian Marks Avatar

    I dealt with journal rejection by leaving academia.

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  16. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    Regarding the anonymity factor, there are of course multiple directions of anonymity. I am very much in favor of maintaining author anonymity, in fact I’m pushing for this to become mandatory at the RSL (currently, it’s optional). It is even better when the handling editor is also ignorant of the identity of the author (as is the case with the other journal for which I’m an editor, Ergo).
    As for the identity of the referee being revealed, here too there are different approaches. One of them is that the name of the referees are printed when the article itself is printed, thus obviously in the case of acceptances. I think there is much to commend in this approach, but I fear that people may become even pickier with the articles they recommend for publication; clearly, the incentive will be, when in doubt, simply to reject. And this brings us back to the problematic ‘I don’t like the thesis of the paper’ point that I discussed in the OP. And as for revealing the names of referees in the case of critical reports: on the one hand, there are of course abusive reports going around, where the referee clearly hides behind anonymity to say outrageous things. But on the other hand, it will make it more difficult to write a well-founded but critical report on a submission by someone you know, or will know in the future, so that seems to have its problems too.
    Anyway, again the point is that (anonymous) peer-reviewing is far, far from being a perfect model, but it’s unclear what the alternatives should be.

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  17. Berit Brogaard Avatar

    Great post! I agree that the “reject with the possibility of resubmission” often is a better verdict than “R&R”. The latter does suggest to the author that the paper will eventually get accepted. Unfortunately, that is very often not the case. In my experience as a journal editor, referees often recommend “reject” after recommending “R&R”. Very often! So, a “new submission” may actually be better, as the paper will then be sent to new referees, who may be more favorable toward the paper’s main thesis (or arguments). The “old” referees may simply have made up their minds from the start. In some cases I think referees reject papers because you didn’t cite their work. Then they give you an R&R, hoping you will cite their work. But you have no idea who they are (and it would be unfortunate if authors started citing referees’ papers for the sake of getting their papers accepted), so you don’t cite them, and then they reject your paper. New referees can be a breeze (no prior expectations). So, sometimes “submit again” is a much better verdict than an R&R.

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  18. Neil Levy Avatar
    Neil Levy

    The problems people have highlighted on this thread, such as rejecting because one doesn’t like the thesis, are only a problem because of the enormous opportunity costs involved in submitting to journals, and these opportunity costs are a function primarily of the fact that the process takes so damn long. If one is rejected on spurious grounds, that’s not too bad if the rejection comes in a month, but awful if it takes a year. What needs fixing most urgently, in my view, is these turn around times. There is no reason why it need take 6 months to referee a paper, but it does routinely (and often much longer). People who refuse to review at all, or who review and then take multiple months to turn in a desultory report, should not be allowed to submit themselves to journals.
    There is one really easy thing that everyone can do that would make my life as an editor very much easier and speed up turn around times: reject the request to referee in a timely manner. All it takes is clicking on a link. In about 20% of cases, people who are asked never respond at all. This is very greatly slows down the time it takes to allocate papers to referees.

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  19. Berit Brogaard Avatar

    Word!
    As a journal editor, I am often blamed for the (sometimes) long turn-around times. But I actually tend to act on new assignments right away (often the minute I receive them — exceptions being Christmas and the like).
    Delay factors include (some of which I cannot control and some that I can):
    1. People not declining to referee right away (or accepting).
    2. People never responding to a referee request.
    3. Reviewers taking a lot longer than the allotted amount of time (which in my case is 4 weeks).
    4. People not realizing that when they accept to referee, they really ought to be prepared to accept to referee a (potentially) revised version of the manuscript (otherwise, I will have to send it to new people and that will take a lot longer).
    5. Editors not paying attention to the fact that people move and that their email address may have changed. So, they use the system to send the referee request, but it never arrives because the person has moved. There is a fairly simple way to minimize this error. The system will tell you when the person last reviewed a manuscript (or declined to review) for the journal. If that was more than twelve months ago, check that their email address is still current.
    6. Editors allowing too many R&R’s when it seems to them that the manuscript probably will never get accepted.
    7. Editors asking the same people over and over again to review papers. Waiting for these people to “decline” and recommend new reviewers takes time.
    8. Reviewers asked to referee declining without recommending good alternative reviewer possibilities.

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  20. Mark Avatar

    Publishing philosophy is a strange discipline because it is a narrative of exploratory thought on paper; I am not convinced that it should be so narrowly subjected to traditional journal reviewing methods.
    It seems that one must write formulaically to guarantee success. One sees such compliant papers all the time ticking the right boxes. Papers would be far more interesting and innovative if there were greater degrees of freedom in writing technique and structure.
    As for reviewers, in my experience they seem often to be trying to hammer a square peg (my ideas) into a round hole (their stance) and snooty to boot: what tired toddler doesn’t get irritated with the square peg not going in?
    me… bitter? never! 🙂

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